Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Billy the Ex-Bethelite : Furthermore, what happened to an eye for an eye?

N.drew wrote: More violence does not cure violence.

Dont you think that that depends on the circunstances? If I told you that tommorrow night I am going to walk into your house and kill you, would you call the police or pray? and if the police happened to be very busy on that day, would you not self defend yourself? Here's another scenario, I run over your son with my car because I am imperfect, so I walk out of the car and apologise, I really didn't mean it to happen, would you do the Christian thing or get the police to test me for drugs/alchool to convict me?

garyneal:Amish are the only ones I am aware of who really follows the bible when it comes to Jesus teachings on love and forgiveness.

DilemmaGF wrote: forgiveness is good and healthy for your mental/spiritual health. Grudges and bitterness will eventually damage you. Forgiveness is about letting go of the pain/anger/hurts/bitterness the person had cause you, not about letting forgeting what the person had done to you. I guess it is up to God tp judge/punish the person.

I have been forgiving in all my 20+ years, if anything I had something inside me that just wanted to explode, I needed to go to the highest mountain and scream my lungs out, punch on a punching bad. I can still forgive but depending on the circumstance and too an extend, or it's immoral from my part, this really comes down to what Christians thinks is moral and what a humanist thinks is moral.

"love your enemy",

"don't do to others what others might do to you",

"judge and you will be judged"

Thank humanity for courts and police.

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

Joey Jo-Jo

3rdgen I didn't see your post when I posted mine, I am sorry to hear about what happened to your son.

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Billy the Ex-Bethelite : you brought up Jewish law but I am only talking about Jesus in the NT (recall that Jesus came to add to the Torah), an enemy can be many things but they also mean all of them, an enemy isn't simply a person that hates you, who is your enemy in war?

"love your enemy", "don't do to others what others might do to you", "judge and you will be judged", apply these 3 "moral" teachings in real life and yes rapists and murderers will run free.

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Billy the Ex-Bethelite : as I pointed out, according to Matthew 5:44 we are to love our enemy, murderers, rapists, con artists, etc, all to be loved so when judgement day comes we wont be judged for judging others.

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Love your enemy, am I the only one here that finds this immoral??

Back to the past, I forgave a lot of things, I let all of it behind me, it didn't matter what it was and it didn't matter if they were still doing the same things, lies, violence and jelousy all behind me. This mentality I now consider immoral.

tec: once again you say things that are not in the bible

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Atheism 2.0

by Qcmbr in

apologies if this has been posted before or even discussed.. this ted talk gets at the heart of what atheism is missing and my wife an di discussed this for a long time last night.

in short religion provides a framework for meeting, for ritual, for art, education and sociality.

without this framework atheism can seem lonely harsh and certainly disorganised (the general idea that education and culture can replace the gap may well be true but without a formal structure the route to personal mental fulfillment is somewhat piecemeal and patchwork.

Joey Jo-Jo

I called myself an agnostic because I strongly disagree with the holy books and religion regarding god/s, but I also understand that science has not debunked everything, therefore I am open minded that there could be something/s but nothing that was written or was spoken to by man, thats my definition of agnosticism, the same definition bart ehrman and carl sagan used. But according to what many had said and the macarthur (spelling) dictionary the word agnostic refers to an ignoramus.

Take for example.. I can remender which book it was, either god delusion or the greatest show on earth, which Dawkins definities 7 different types of athiest, one that resonates a lot with agnosticism.

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Atheism 2.0

by Qcmbr in

apologies if this has been posted before or even discussed.. this ted talk gets at the heart of what atheism is missing and my wife an di discussed this for a long time last night.

in short religion provides a framework for meeting, for ritual, for art, education and sociality.

without this framework atheism can seem lonely harsh and certainly disorganised (the general idea that education and culture can replace the gap may well be true but without a formal structure the route to personal mental fulfillment is somewhat piecemeal and patchwork.

Joey Jo-Jo

I found out when I called myself that but people were using atheism to mean the same thing, aparently there are now different types of atheisms including agnostic atheism...

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Atheism 2.0

by Qcmbr in

apologies if this has been posted before or even discussed.. this ted talk gets at the heart of what atheism is missing and my wife an di discussed this for a long time last night.

in short religion provides a framework for meeting, for ritual, for art, education and sociality.

without this framework atheism can seem lonely harsh and certainly disorganised (the general idea that education and culture can replace the gap may well be true but without a formal structure the route to personal mental fulfillment is somewhat piecemeal and patchwork.

Joey Jo-Jo

Does it bother anyone that the definition for the word agnostic has changed and now means a person who chooses to be ignorant about facts and fictions?